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Re: About The League Structure

Postby ccawker » Tue Jun 26, 2012 3:48 pm

To Shelly Galles
Im really not a bad guy,i just like to play tennis....ask all the people i have played and see what they think...i would like to play you but you are "unavailable"...our match would be fun,besides your style of play(i hear) is not condusive to mine,edge you.
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby junbug » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:08 pm

hey chuck since florian doesn't wamt to play you. why don't you report the scores as how you would win in straight sets. the loss will get florian's attention. as for playing the 4.5 players. just do your best. remember rosol caught nadal on an off day. so anything can happen. have fun.
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby ccawker » Mon Aug 27, 2012 3:59 pm

TO MY FRIEND FLORIAN KELLER FROM MINNEAPOLIS TOUR
You have updated your total wins as of Aug.23rd,quite impressive(200 and something wins and 3 losses).I would like to play you(off the challenge tour)or on as you like.Its a shame you DID NOT sign up for the playoffs,maybe we would have met then.I am always up for a competitive match as i play players in the A bracket sometimes(i dont win but i get better).Dont worry,if i win i wont tell anybody.We are,afterall in the same league and have yet to play this year while you have played 1 player almost 50 times(50 wins).Call me.
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby junbug » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:51 pm

chuck,
it's wishful thinking but our buddy florian will not MAN up to play you. he's too scared to get out of his comfort zone. so might as well move on. his record will always have question marks beside it. just like barry bonds major league homerun record.
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby wemillar » Wed Aug 14, 2013 3:05 pm

Just ready this thread today and one comment is....I sometimes put UNAVAILABLE when I have 3 matches scheduled out over the next 1.5 weeks....I want to play two of those matches then put avail. to pick up two new matches....but I do report the score while UNAVAILABLE but I'm usually only UNAVAILABLE for 4 days...to avoid having 4 or 5 matches backed up.

Perhaps one player can only play another player 3 times in one season total before playoffs (minus tournaments)...I think I saw one score reported when the player played the same guy twice in less than two weeks.

I would add a rule that a player can only dip down to play someone 8 ranks below him or higher to avoid top players racking up pts on 3.5 players. :D
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby yijosh » Sat Aug 17, 2013 12:44 pm

If I find someone that I enjoy playing, I would play him as much as I can, sometimes as much as three or four times in 2 weeks period if he is willing to play. Some of favorite matches that I’ve played were with people ranked much lower than me, at least 8 ranks below. Most of the times, I’m grateful for my opponent that I’m actually playing tennis with someone and not just practicing serves by myself or wondering when I’m going to play. Everyone plays differently, and it’s pleasure seeing different style regardless of what their USTA rankings are. Thanks Brent for starting tennistour. Just my 2cent.
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby tomtownsend » Sat Aug 17, 2013 8:52 pm

My comments are for the Seattle A Tour mostly, as that is what I play and know. First, I think the structure is pretty solid, I have played when their was only a ladder system, in which players with losing records would play in the final group. Or players who were in the top 8 would play all of the other top 8 players but not those below, and even if they lost, they still stayed in said group. The point system implemented a few years ago helped with this a lot, as combining points makes things other than the ladder relevant. The point system, as I understand it, does weigh who beats who, and your rank, and even how many times you play. Their is even a strength of victory, etc. So it is a good system, but not perfect.

The problems: As Will said, players will play down and play against players who they know they are going to beat, just for the points. That is fine in my opinion at times, but not consistently. Will's other point talks about playing that same player again many times over the season and accumulating points which is a loophole in my opinion. Getting points for playing the same player in a two week period is a loophole and shouldn't happen either in my opinion.
Josh, I see your point, but remember the competitive league of the tennistour.org is different from just tennistour.org, one can play whoever they want as much as they want outside of the summer or fall league.

Generally, manipulating who one plays and choosing certain players has become a problem. Some players don't players other players to risk a loss, or they are friends and don't want to knock their friends rankings down. Some are ''full'' or unavailable but challenge other players when asked.

Finally, as a parent and one who cannot play often, the summer season is too long (4 months plus playoffs) and it favors those who play more. Now, I think playing should be encouraged obviously. But to what extent? If one plays 40 matches and loads up on cupcakes, they will certainly have a high point ranking, and may finish higher than a player who can only play say 10 times. Thus, if you want to finish high up and you can't play many matches, you have to win most of your matches which encourages, playing down!

My recommendations are 1. SEVERELY (maybe 1 point) limiting the number of points for someone ranked a lot lower than you
2. Capping the number of times one can beat the same player and get any points at 2 or 3. This encourages playing others.
3. Add a strength of schedule component, even if you don't win your matches, give bonus points for playing the higher ranked players often.
4. change the structure completely, have olympic style pool groups and mandatory matches and playoffs at the end. People can play whoever they want on their off day.


Anyhow, overall it is a good site/league with many good people and players. Brent, would you be open to forming a rules committee for next year to implement changes. What does everyone else think? Thanks! Tom
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Re: About The League Structure

Postby jimcobb » Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:00 am

About the league structure: Awesome!
For the price of a weekend tournament or a 6 week "season" you can play tennis all summer as much as you can convince others to play.
Of course, its nice to be in Seattle, and when I once tried to set something up in Portland on a trip I was not successful, but that is not the fault of Brent's structure. Sometimes you can even convince a guy to play tennis without keeping score/competing. Its too rare, but again its not Brent's fault.
Change it, leave it the same, just please don't let it go away Brent!(...or do if you're just too busy with family, work etc)
I am only thankful for the tour since it has provided me with the opportunity to find tennis partners then to expand my tennis experience from there. I can't really overstate how great the tour has been for me. Thanks Brent! Enjoy the tennis!
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